Imitation is …

… the sincerest form of flattery, so they say (at least, that is one of the things they say!)

Shown above is my auto-up windows & track mode DSC MINI circuit, below a newly designed “MCAW” circuit which provides similar features. I first learned of this new circuit a week or so ago, and chatted at length with the designer, Kevin. He was kind enough to send a circuit to me to review.

If you wonder whether Kevins MCAW is a “rip off” – NO!
What Kevin has done is taken my auto-up-windows MINI circuit as inspiration only; the MCAW does provide auto-up windows and can also provide “track mode DSC” or some forms of garage opener control.

From an engineering position, It is interesting to compare the new design with my original. I developed the MINI circuit to provide a solution to auto-up windows for myself and a couple of friends – and there was enough interest online to make a batch of nearly 30 circuits. After that, word-of-mouth (and a MotoringFile review) spread the word and more than 1000 now exist!
Kevin therefore has tried to design his circuit to reduce costs – something that was not a priority for me back when I was making a circuit for just a few people.

In the picture above, you can see that Kevin’s PIC (the “brains” of the circuit) is much smaller than the one in my original circuit – this provides a cost & size reduction but also forces a couple of design compromises.
The original MINI circuit PIC has a separate pin for each toggle switch signal, but Kevin has been forced to “double up” and share multiple inputs to pins. This gives some limitations in detecting switches, but if designed well the end user should not be affected.

More significantly, you can see that Kevin’s circuit has no ribbon cable – he identified this as a high cost labor-intensive part of my MINI circuit design, and was successful in finding an alternate solution – in the picture you can see the “back” of the MCAW, with a large black connector extending from it, and “bump pads” above and below. This connector pushes straight into the toggle switch panel connector (also visible), with the bump pads helping to ensure correct alignment. The original MINI wiring connector then pushes onto the pins on the “front” of the MCAW (seen in the first picture); there might be some concern over the weight of the MINI wiring harness pulling the MCAW out of the toggle switch panel (the original connector latches into place) – but my test indicates a firm grip which is unlikely to disconnect.

Another design change adopted by Kevin is that not all signals go “straight through” – this was a design requirement of my original design, so that any failure of the circuitry would still allow all toggle switch connections to work. With Kevins design, failure of the MCAW electronics will prevent closing the windows. However as Kevin discussed, electronics is generally very reliable.

Finally, Kevin has chosen to provide no protective coating to the circuit (every original MINI circuit is Humiseal coated to protect it from moisture / dust / etc) – this may be a perfectly acceptable design decision, but it is not one I would make!

I have only tested Kevins circuit on my MINI circuit bench test rig, not in my car (I already have auto-up windows in GBMINI!); I found it to work as advertised, and easy to initially set up, although it I found it confusing to reprogram functions – the circuit has many modes and you click a switch repeatedly to move from mode to mode; what I could not figure is how to get from the current MCAW configuration to the new one – do I restart from 0 or do I count from the current mode? Neither answer seemed to work reliably for me.
I also found that cancelling the auto-up by clicking the window down switch was not reliable – not sure why.

For me, the MCAW is more “geeky” than the MINI circuit – and that is not meant to be a negative. Notice that the MCAW has socketed parts – this allows the purchaser to replace parts and change the functionality!

So which circuit should you buy?
Today, the MINI circuit is temporarily unavailable – I am still working on a solution for that.
The MCAW seems to provide similar features to my original, and is offered at a slightly lower price point.
I believe the original MINI circuit is more suitable for people needing the garage opener functionality – there is more flexibility in my design.
The MCAW offers a couple of features (such as closing both windows from one switch) which are not standard on my MINI circuit (but only one person ever wanted that feature!)
The original MINI circuit has proven itself with more than 1000 circuits “out there” and lots of feedback; presumably the MCAW will establish itself in the coming months …

17 thoughts on “Imitation is …

  1. Gavin,
    My original plan was to no longer sell the MINI circuit, and I was working with an aftermarket company to set up manufacture for their selling … now those plans are under review, but before I learned of the MCAW I was in production with another batch of MINI circuits – so one way or another, I need to sell them to recover my costs!

  2. Thanks for the in-depth review, Ian.
    It still looks like he did a good job, and as you said designed it to be slightly cheaper and smaller, in the end better suited for mass production.
    It is a good idea on his part to mount the chips in dip sockets, so if there are any bugs or issues a new one can be mailed. (And if there are any feature upgrades, people could purchase a new chip)
    I am glad to see a commercial source because as you know there is plenty of demand. It’s also good that he is participating in NAM so any problems are easily identified.

  3. This is a great review. There are so many places you can find products that are potential competetors bashing each other, but this review sounds almost like it came from a 3rd party with no particular interest in either.

    That said, I still am on the fence since hearing of this new circuit. I definately won’t decide until at least the upcoming motoringfile review. I am leaning a little towards the other as I do not need the GDO, but then the part about possible reliability issues does disuade me somewhat. I just can’t decide as of yet…

  4. Great, review. Its nice to read more of the technical differences between these two similar products. I’m glad I have one of the original MINI circuits.

  5. Giacomo, you mean this OutMotoring item?
    No, the OutMotoring part is not related to either the original or new MINI circuit – it does something completely different!
    The MINI circuit / MCAW provide auto-close using the toggle switches inside the car; the OutMotoring product provides auto-close from outside the car, using the remote key.

  6. I see. Thanks.
    Not sure why anyone would need that as my key once turned backwards in the door does the same thing.

  7. Agreed – I am also somewhat concerned about triggering window auto-close by key; it is quite possible to do it accidentally / when you can’t see the car …
    At least with the toggle switch auto-close MINI circuit / MCAW, you need to be in the car to click the switch so hopefully you first look carefully to make sure it is safe to do so.

  8. Ian is there any chance that your new batch of auto ups maybe able to include the garage door opener? I would really like to have that function on your unit.

  9. Yes – now that OutMotoring have confirmed they will not be able to sell the original MINI circuit for me, I will be able to do all versions including garage opener features in the next batch …

  10. Ian,

    I might be interested in your MINI circuit, especially if it performs a garage door opening function. Let me make sure I understand the function of yours, you hit one toggle inside the car and it performs Autowindows (and sunroof) closed? It also functions to open/close a garage door? Wow!! Please confirm and maybe PM me with availability and price…

    Thanks,
    Ed Jones.

  11. Not quite – *two* clicks of a window toggle auto-close the window on that side. And you can order an output which must be connected to your ALREADY OWNED garage remote, allowing you to hide it away and control it from the lock/unlock toggle.

    Note that Kevins new MCAW offers slightly different features to the original MINI circuit.

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